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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:39 am 
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So here's something I was wondering about. What are the average demographics of regularly enslaved females, i.e. Maggie, vs commercially-bred females, i.e. the experimental breeders in SIT3? I'm looking for age, birth rate, death rate, average life expectancy once enslaved, infant mortality, etc.


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I don't think you understand stand what a monolithic task it would be to think of All the different factors necessary to begin to speculate. The task would probably be even greater if undertaken by someone other than the author to do then having to extrapolate out the rest of society which are very quickly would begin to be entirely based off of previous extrapolations.

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Don't ask for much do you? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree with the issues that Blue Hat Man has raised but we can make some reasonable "extrapolations" based upon the comics and previous discussions on the Forum (both this one and ye olde one) Take this with a dumpster load of salt but I think the following are sensible assumptions

The demographic between bred and kidnapped slaves will be growing exponentially in the favour of the breeding farms. Why? Although the Pussianian population is enormously more female than male there is no way the population can grow at the same rate as a farm. For example a Pussianian town may have 20,000 adult females, so going by biology they may produce one child every 9 months so that would be say 15,000 a calendar year if every woman bore a child (which they won't obviously). A significant number would be male children and a few would die before adulthood. A farm of 20,000 breeders would work to produce one girl per breeder every nine months. They would be bred industrially at a time of maximum fertility (SC 2) so the gap would start small and grow year on year. Add to that, the women owned by Hot Momma's and other pregnant slave companies and the gap becomes cavernous.

The matter of age is interesting. Obviously, the average age of breeder farm girls, who are sold on or about their 18th BIrthday depends on how long the farm has been established. I would argue, as this is some 20 years after the CFSL was past that there are comparatively few bred girls on the market as biologically, on the first couple of year "classes" would be of vendable age.

The death rate and average female life expectancy would be high and tumbling meteorically respectively. Since women are chattel they are expendable, the breeding farms will depress the average price and so they don't tend to be kept for long periods of time. Freshly enslaved teens are always available to replace them. In Slave Fair 1 a "normally" priced 22 year old housewife (2,300 eb) is ignored because Freddy & Jason deem her "too old" to command those prices. It s like that Molly, Carol and Ms Matryzchek all in their 40s are the oldest generation by this point. Indeed Molly is frequently referred to as a hag by Paul,Maggie and Sherry. We may surmise an average life ecpectancy of perhaps mid thirties for slavecunts. It would be affected by the presumably far shorter life spans in the mines and the blue choker slavecops who get an escape and a period of freedom. Since female children are an investment it is likely that everything is done to depress the infant mortality rate and keep them healthy and alive. Economics has a logic all of it's own in these matters.

That is my reasoning St Gat and the rest can and probably will tear it apart.


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Well, I imagine that breeding farms would probably try to keep the on-hand stock at as low a number as possible. Assuming a farm size of 10,000 head, there probably would be a fertility rate significantly higher than the natural population, but very few of those offspring would remain as second-generation stock.


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Some official info to illuminate you on the vague rationale behind the skewed gender ratios: The ratio of females to males in Pussiana at the time of the comics is 9 to 1. Even before the revolutions, global imbalance was growing. Fisher's principle of demographics was defunct by 1960s because of a "calamity" that affected multiple species on the planet. In short, there was a problem with the Y chromosome which made male embryos less and less viable, with higher rates of male child death and fatal deformities in the male population. The science was unable to identify and solve the problem. The deformities itself triggered a social movement to abort male fetuses, which deepened the gender gap further. By the time of the revolution the ratio was 5 to 1. The androcratic regime embraced eugenics and exacerbated the problem in two ways. They established a slavery system that encourages higher production rates of attractive females, and heavily regulated pregnancy to ensure non viable male fetuses to be eliminated before birth.


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Some official info to illuminate you on the vague rationale behind the skewed gender ratios: The ratio of females to males in Pussiana at the time of the comics is 9 to 1. Even before the revolutions, global imbalance was growing. Fisher's principle of demographics was defunct by 1960s because of a "calamity" that affected multiple species on the planet. In short, there was a problem with the Y chromosome which made male embryos less and less viable, with higher rates of male child death and fatal deformities in the male population. The science was unable to identify and solve the problem. The deformities itself triggered a social movement to abort male fetuses, which deepened the gender gap further. By the time of the revolution the ratio was 5 to 1. The androcratic regime embraced eugenics and exacerbated the problem in two ways. They established a slavery system that encourages higher production rates of attractive females, and heavily regulated pregnancy to ensure non viable male fetuses to be eliminated before birth.


I think that this may be (canonically speaking) the single most important post on this forum EVER!! (I don't do hyperbole as you can see :D )

It gives statistical evidence where before we ionly had extrapolation and tells us that the population was 75% female was wildly off the mark. This also explains why the food is drugged for men as well. Thanks for this Erenisch


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This is a good explanation about the female ratio. We still don't know about the economic decline and the wars however. I assume the gender problem can cause them but what was the exact reason?


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I'm afraid so. When you are outnumbered 9:1 there is a terror that you will be overwhelmed and be exploited. So what does a certain mindset do to prevent that happening? Degrade and enslave the majority and accept that you will need a police state to enforce "good government" as you have just imposed it.


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Erenisch wrote:
Some official info to illuminate you on the vague rationale behind the skewed gender ratios: The ratio of females to males in Pussiana at the time of the comics is 9 to 1. Even before the revolutions, global imbalance was growing. Fisher's principle of demographics was defunct by 1960s because of a "calamity" that affected multiple species on the planet. In short, there was a problem with the Y chromosome which made male embryos less and less viable, with higher rates of male child death and fatal deformities in the male population. The science was unable to identify and solve the problem. The deformities itself triggered a social movement to abort male fetuses, which deepened the gender gap further. By the time of the revolution the ratio was 5 to 1. The androcratic regime embraced eugenics and exacerbated the problem in two ways. They established a slavery system that encourages higher production rates of attractive females, and heavily regulated pregnancy to ensure non viable male fetuses to be eliminated before birth.


Well my friends, it would appear to look like I need to draw up a new hypothetical plan to bring SOCIALIST REVOLUTION to the people EU, in light of this new information. I'm going o start by trying to apply Marxist analysis to the setting of the lovely Erenisch Comics. ;) Which I'm sure will be very interesting.

Also my friends before you ask, the answer is most certainly yes, I do indeed I far to much spare time on my hands. :)

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We don't know any of theses ideologies exist in this world. even if they do, I think people will not be easily moved by them. In the bottom, the bums make it clear that the system is bad but it gives them slavegirls to play with.


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We don't know any of theses ideologies exist in this world. even if they do, I think people will not be easily moved by them. In the bottom, the bums make it clear that the system is bad but it gives them slavegirls to play with.

True. That's my clumsy critique of the complacency of the masses :)


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We don't know any of theses ideologies exist in this world. even if they do, I think people will not be easily moved by them. In the bottom, the bums make it clear that the system is bad but it gives them slavegirls to play with.

True. That's my clumsy critique of the complacency of the masses :)


Trust me has Marxist Im well aware of the complancy of the masses. In fact it why I'm starting to to worrie about the possibility that my accelerationist marxist & anarchist comrades will be proven correct. :cry:

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We don't know any of theses ideologies exist in this world.


Well, .I'm a bit iffy on weather these Ideology would former not in alternative history. Please allow me to attempt to explain what I mean, I do apologize for this in advance but I'm going to convey my thoughts on this throw the magic the bullet points.

• Well in regards to the baseline concept of it socialism emergenong into existence with these alternate history. I'm going to be honest and admit I think are quite high once the human population in the alternate history reach the industrial Revolution. The reason for this in the long and short is due to socialism simply being a economic mode of production where the means of production are collectively owned. Now when you take into consideration that around the Industrial Revolution they are multiple document individuals coming to this conclusion on own, I find the concept of that pattern repeating within the alternate history of the Erenidh Comics quit believable.

• Well at least in regards to Marxist theory, our question might be answered through the asking of another question. That being whether or not the theory of evolution would've come into existence without Charles Darwin. I know that many of you are baffled by that sentiment but please do allowed me to explain. Marxist theory is a scientific theory. Now let me make it clear that it belongs with in the soft science school of sociology and economics and arguably psychology, although that last one pushing it. Anyway before I end this point I should bring up that there was one other reason I made the comparison I did with my second statement. That reason being that Karl Mark would've never come up with the theory is that he did if it was not for the works of Charles Darwin. But explaining that would take multiple paragraphs for me so I am just going to go onto the next bullet :?

• Well this next point is nitpicky . . . but modes of production and ideologies are not one and the same. Us Marxist put it like this, the base of society is the system or mode of productive forces organization. Now what wr Marxist call the Superstructure of Society is what most simply the culturally accepted ideas, explanations, justification of why society is organized in the way it is

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. . . even if they do, I think people will not be easily moved by them. In the bottom, the bums make it clear that the system is bad but it gives them slavegirls to play with.


Well the individual you're referencing in the bottom would not be the people I would preach the Gospel of Communistm to just like how if I was alive during World War II the Hitler youth would not be a group of people that I would try to sway to the cause global proletariatIan revolution.

I'll write more on how would conduct myself as a Marxist within the EU assuming of course that we are allowing me the leeway for this example to presume that someone eventually came up with the exact same theories to explain the changes in human society throughout human history
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Before you recently revealed calamity that in its wake left mass mutation of the chromosomal genes through the global population of the EU. My theory was that a social changes were due to pretty much what is described in this lead video from The Polygon.

https://youtu.be/7OTOH1YHddo

( Disclaimer I do not agree with all the sentiments of the "News pendant". I like the majority of my comrades I have a very love hate relationship with Jason Unruhe )

So with that allowed the way, currently at after giving a good bit of thought to the question. Although I suspect that my answer to the question will change seeing i'm not even begun to unpack even slither of the implications of dividing actual the proletarian & the petty bouge each other into two new social classes stratified by one's relationship with reproductive mean as much as ones relationship with the means of production.

With that said here is where currently am with this thought problem.

I would surprisingly find myself not giving aid or supporting FLF. While I seek their same objective I cannot tacitly support the a revolutionary force that does not understand
The economic face of the enemy they fight and by proxy refuses to target set economic base.

With the native revolutionary war is deemed a impotent tool of class warfare, were does that leave me.

I threw thinking about it for a bit what I believe I would do is find my way to a develop capitalist ( 1st world ) anti-slavery country's. Once I have immigrated there I would presumably run into prejudice very understandably due to the mother-nation moved from addition to being a mail room set nation.

I would use this to my advantage by transforming my occupation into the spreading of horror stories from across the sea. I would make it a emphasize point that I was the only male who was not a pure evil
( The truthfulness of this claim is unimportant so long and I can get the lowest common denominator her to buy into it )

The uproar over to the social media platforms of non-slavery world blow up with naked hostility four Pussiana cultural. Very similar to what we see now with how the west is reacting with the influx of people belong to cultures of the Islamic world currently at time of writing.

Now presuming that things would continue to mirror the large scale patterns of group behavior. We have observed online. Then it's fair to assume that the backlash against Pussiana I engineered in the Internet social sphere of the Free Nations. Would get us a reactionary wave of the individuals preaching the choir of tolerance, except. and understanding & etc.

The next portion of my plan would do use myself as a celebrity at least within the socials fears that care about such things to do the following. Never relent in your portrayal of the entire nation and A good chunk of it population from being tonically identical to how one discusses atrocities of the inner workings of concentration camps.

Beyond this I would be trying to spread international his sentiments throughout this entire process, but beyond that that's where I am currently at . . .

Plus you know see what happens when my power to is out at all I have to do for a bout two hours is focus on a thought experiment and write down my thoughts on it.

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Withholding support from the FLF o similar organizations? The immediate and salient problem here is slavery, not the class structure or the problem of ownership of means of production. Of course, in this particular reality, they all converge. FLF is the main enemy of the system, regardless of its ideological basis. They are indeed targeting the economic base of the enemy, which is slaves and cheap female labor. Also, I should remind you that I never revealed FLF's ideology, but I doubt if they are right-wingers :)


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Withholding support from the FLF o similar organizations? The immediate and salient problem here is slavery, not the class structure or the problem of ownership of means of production. Of course, in this particular reality, they all converge. FLF is the main enemy of the system, regardless of its ideological basis. They are indeed targeting the economic base of the enemy, which is slaves and cheap female labor.


(Below is a scratch of me a few seconds after reading that)
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Yaaa . . . That one thing I just might have over looked a bit . . . . So I'm going to take my last comment.

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Also, I should remind you that I never revealed FLF's ideology, but I doubt if they are right-wingers :)


:D Is it just me or do I smell some plans for some future world building ?

I also has huge political theory and philosophy buffs I would be ecstatic to get to learn what the philosophical underpinnings of the FLF. Plus if you're

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If that comment is anything to go by ; then if they would fit in along with me and the rest of the Radical Left. I would find it enjoyable to really dissect these common beliefs held by members of the FLF. Then once I've got a good idea how there ideology compare billions of differing subgroups with anarchism and marxism. :D

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Reading the plan as outlined by Blue Hat Man I was reminded of this line from the Day of the Doctor

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This plan may have worked in 1917 but now EVERYBODY has the internet and that is not going to decrease in the 2040s. You cannot simply pretend that one nation is right and everyone else is wrong (unless you are in North Korea). People will do real research read real blogs, see real videos and (if they are actually interested) they will find the truth.

Also, Pussiania is not a pariah state. What they are doing is not a fantasy version of the Taliban, A large number of countries have similar and doubtless some will have even more draconian attitudes to equality. It even has United Nations Resolutions supporting it. There is no evidence of any international backlash and even those nations who do oppose female slavery will not go to war over it. Though their intelligence agencies may interfere in places it will all be totally deniable. And nobody will hear anything about it. More chillingly perhaps intelligence agency interference works both ways.

Having said that my country has recently undergone the Brexit farce so I cannot deny that lies are potent political weapons.


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