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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 2:30 am 
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Oh the horror. I'm getting chills just thinking how badly acted this could be.



Yeah, you'd have to get real actors, instead of porn stars. That would be the difficult part. But its been done. It worked for Spartacus.


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Speaking as (ahem) a porn director who has made some pretty successful BDSM hardcore pictures over the past 28 years and is married to a porn performer who was also in Boogie Nights (some here will fill in the blanks I'm sure), I don't agree that you'd have to get "real" actors as opposed to porn actors. In fact, I think mainstream actors would suck in this context, and not in a good way.

Sex performers who have worked in this business for a year learn more about sex in all its forms than most people will in a lifetime. When given material to work with that's not too far removed their experience of everyday life, which is not too far removed, other than the by the surrounding milieu, from that of the girls in E's comics, they can sell it with surprising effectiveness. That's why all my pictures have directly sexual themes. I don't bother with stories about daily life to which I have to attach gratuitous and illogical sexual behavior. I create my own alternative universes in which kink-sex is pretty much the driving engine of the plot.

I wouldn't shy away from a live-action version of many of E's comics, particularly one-offs like The Clinic or The Stables, with the sophisticated group of players in my informal rep company.

The problem is getting a producer to back such a project. It's pretty edgy material for video, though it could be done in webisodes (at the cost of feature-quality production values). But I'd like to see it done with the expansiveness of the comics, which means real locations and large casts and all the other things that inflate the budget. That's not the current direction of the industry, which is suffering badly from piracy and a weak economy, but there is no inherent reason why we couldn't do the material justice if we had the resources.

It sure would be fun to try. I can tell you that Erenisch has many fans (via TI mostly) among porn performers who would jump at the chance to work on this one.


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Thank you ernestgreene, for your take on making an E-verse movie.

I have seen some of your movies (and your lovely wife's), and while I've enjoyed them, I still have a problem with actors that can't put themselves into the reality of the world they are making in the movie (or even worse - ones who can break the illusion completely without even trying). Not to say their aren't good actors in porn that can't fully inhabit the movies world (or even better yet suck you into the world as well), but haven't seen enough of them to make an entire cast for the Erenisch world. Of course I don't have the connections that you do in the industry, so if you do know enough, please find a producer quick. :D Most of the time it is overacting, or trying to "push" their character forward for more "attention" that seems to be the problem. I'm not saying it's bad, but at least for me, it detracts from what I'm watching. However this is just my view. I'm sure most other people don't have my hangups. :roll:

(Of course this is all for the intellectual and emotional view of the movie, for the physical side the quality requirements are a lot lower. :lol: )

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 7:15 am 
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Speaking as (ahem) a porn director who has made some pretty successful BDSM hardcore pictures over the past 28 years and is married to a porn performer who was also in Boogie Nights (some here will fill in the blanks I'm sure), I don't agree that you'd have to get "real" actors as opposed to porn actors. In fact, I think mainstream actors would suck in this context, and not in a good way.

Sex performers who have worked in this business for a year learn more about sex in all its forms than most people will in a lifetime. When given material to work with that's not too far removed their experience of everyday life, which is not too far removed, other than the by the surrounding milieu, from that of the girls in E's comics, they can sell it with surprising effectiveness. That's why all my pictures have directly sexual themes. I don't bother with stories about daily life to which I have to attach gratuitous and illogical sexual behavior. I create my own alternative universes in which kink-sex is pretty much the driving engine of the plot.

I wouldn't shy away from a live-action version of many of E's comics, particularly one-offs like The Clinic or The Stables, with the sophisticated group of players in my informal rep company.

The problem is getting a producer to back such a project. It's pretty edgy material for video, though it could be done in webisodes (at the cost of feature-quality production values). But I'd like to see it done with the expansiveness of the comics, which means real locations and large casts and all the other things that inflate the budget. That's not the current direction of the industry, which is suffering badly from piracy and a weak economy, but there is no inherent reason why we couldn't do the material justice if we had the resources.

It sure would be fun to try. I can tell you that Erenisch has many fans (via TI mostly) among porn performers who would jump at the chance to work on this one.


I did not mean to impugn the honor of porn actors in my post. I guess I just meant that we all know that a number of porn movies have been made with very bad acting, and I would not want E to end up like that. But you are right, porn acting can been done well, especially if they have a good script and a good director, so I apologize for that implication.

I single out BG as a good series to make, as oppsed to the one offs like the clinic, because BG would not require expensives sets. nearly all of BG takes place either at a high school or in a normal suburban home, My thinking was that it would be easy to make and require less elaborate sets.

But I am not an expert on this field like you are, I really know nothing about it. Do you think you might really make some adaptations of E's work, with a cast of people who took the work seriously as an artistic project? That would be a dream!


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No offense taken. There is a lot of very, very lame porn acting out there and I don't blame anyone for drawing conclusions from most of what's available. The exceptions are harder to find than the rule.

The thing most directors don't seem to get is that porn performers aren't actors. They're physical performers, more like dancers or acrobats. Some of them can do dialog well if they can relate to it because it's somehow relevant to their actual experience. Putting them in all kinds of ridiculous situations completely unrelated to what a twenty-something sex player might relate to guarantees embarrassing attempts at thespianism (that's "thespianism" not "lesbianism" so please get your minds out of the gutter so mine can roll by). When I come up with a story idea, I cast to fit it rather than try to reinvent a performer's established identity. Casting is to porn what location is to real estate - everything. We don't have budget for rehearsal days and with a whole movie that would take months for a mainstream production to complete in less than a week, I can't really do much coaching in the acting department. I have to trust in the player's instincts to deliver credible performances.

Good point about the BG series having the right scale for easy production - relatively few characters and simple locations. Probably easier to get made, but not as much fun for me. I like shooting bigger shows, like Surrender of O with Bree Olson, where I have the money to open the story out a bit wider. But I agree that a BG comic would make and easier sell.

Can it actually happen? Maybe. When I first pitched a fan-fic series based on Story of O to one of the largest but most conservative producers in the business, I thought I'd be laughed out of the office. They surprised me by going with it. We're just now releasing our third (and hottest in my opinion) installment - The Truth About O - which has a dream cast of sophisticated players led by Bobbi Starr and Asa Akira. So far, we've sold over a 100,000 DVDs of the three titles combined, and those numbers are almost never seen in this business anymore, due to all the video piracy out there. Because we spent the time and the money to make these big, "event" titles, consumers wanted DVD quality picture and sound so they could use it on their home theater systems instead of downloading grainy, slow-buffering pirated versions from the internet.

There are some obstacles in the content when it comes to making something like BG as a video. Set in an alternative universe where consent isn't an issue and girls surrender automatically, we'd be immunized from certain concerns regarding the depiction of n0n-cons3nsu@l acts, but we'd have to avoid anything involving the taking of free women by force. Also certain clearly violent acts would have to be worked around. But the basic concepts of most of E's stories would work well, especially if done in a slick and well-produced style.

I have a notion about a possible production placement, but that should probably be discussed off-line.

I'd love to do it, so let's see if it's possible.


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otherguy wrote:
FringeThumb wrote:
Oh the horror. I'm getting chills just thinking how badly acted this could be.

Yeah, you'd have to get real actors, instead of porn stars. That would be the difficult part. But its been done. It worked for Spartacus.

I like Spartacus. But E has better character development and a more complex plots :D




Mr Greene, I'm delighted to see that a director is interested in doing a BG adaptation. I'm also happy to learn that there are E fans among porn stars.

At least a trilogy! :D

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FringeThumb wrote:
Oh the horror. I'm getting chills just thinking how badly acted this could be.

Yeah, you'd have to get real actors, instead of porn stars. That would be the difficult part. But its been done. It worked for Spartacus.

I like Spartacus. But E has better character development and a more complex plots :D




Mr Greene, I'm delighted to see that a director is interested in doing a BG adaptation. I'm also happy to learn that there are E fans among porn stars.

At least a trilogy! :D


No, no, we want at least a decalogy! Otherwise we won't have room for BG series. :mrgreen:

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Any high production visit into the E-verse would be an awesome event! :mrgreen:

You've got a built in audience, just like any modern blockbuster derived from a pre-existing property. 8-)


(I'd even let you use any of my posters...) [/plug] :twisted:

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I can't think of a project I'd rather do, as a matter of fact. Whether something of a smaller scale like BG or something grander like The Clinic, the whole idea is delightful to contemplate. And I really don't see any legal obstacles that can't be overcome.

The obstacles are lack of money and lack of imagination where producers are concerned. To do the work justice, even on a modest production, we'd still need more money for more players than producers are investing in the current bad financial straits where the industry is mired. And even those few who can still afford to make such a picture as it should be made tend to be pretty conventional in their thinking. I managed to get my O series going at Adam&Eve after much negotiation and it's done very well, but when I suggested a vaguely similar franchise, they seemed to think that one was enough. They have no clue of the size of the market that's out there. Did they miss that Newsweek cover about Fifty Shades of Gray? Evidently.

I'd make a bet that a feature derived from almost any of E's works would be a huge money-maker. Alas, I'm not the one who puts up the bets when it comes to production budgets.


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Too bad their isn't a kickstarter site for adult entertainment.

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ernestgreene wrote:
I can't think of a project I'd rather do, as a matter of fact. Whether something of a smaller scale like BG or something grander like The Clinic, the whole idea is delightful to contemplate. And I really don't see any legal obstacles that can't be overcome.

Oh, stop teasing me!


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ernestgreene wrote:
I can't think of a project I'd rather do, as a matter of fact. Whether something of a smaller scale like BG or something grander like The Clinic, the whole idea is delightful to contemplate. And I really don't see any legal obstacles that can't be overcome.

Oh, stop teasing me!



If this movie gets made, all because of an off-hand remark I made on this forum, I will giggle like a madman for weeks!


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I'm really not teasing you, E. More teasing myself. I'd love to do this project but like others I'd love to do, it's a matter of convincing a backer, and they're hard to find even for "safe" projects. This one would be quite edgy and I'm not sure who would back it.

But just to prove I'm not teasing, I've started asking around. So far, I've gotten a lot of peculiar looks.

Still, you never know. It took me about 8 years to make the first O picture and since it sold like crazy I ended up doing two more.

Can't promise immediate results, or any for that matter (this being the entertainment business), but I will keep pushing it and you never know.

Like I said, I do have one prospect worth pitching it to and am preparing to do so.

More to come, for good or bad.


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I'm really not teasing you, E. More teasing myself. I'd love to do this project but like others I'd love to do, it's a matter of convincing a backer, and they're hard to find even for "safe" projects. This one would be quite edgy and I'm not sure who would back it.



Mr Greene, If it is not a trade secret, could you tell us what is the starting capital for a average porn movie? I dont mean the cheaper ones done for the web but a nice one with well-known stars.

And E, do you have any porn stars you want to see in a erenischverse porn movie?


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If a BG adaptation were done. I hope that Gwen, Tawnie and Steve would be added in at episode 1. The longer we know people, the more we can relate to them.

Also, I really liked the idea from For Sale, when Cindy said that one by one her friends were all enslaved, until she had no one to talk to at lunch. I would love to watch that develop slowly. Picture it, a group of girls sitting at the lunch table, and at each new episode there is one more empty chair until eventually its just Cindy...

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If a BG adaptation were done. I hope that Gwen, Tawnie and Steve would be added in at episode 1. The longer we know people, the more we can relate to them.

Also, I really liked the idea from For Sale, when Cindy said that one by one her friends were all enslaved, until she had no one to talk to at lunch. I would love to watch that develop slowly. Picture it, a group of girls sitting at the lunch table, and at each new episode there is one more empty chair until eventually its just Cindy...

:-)


That would be great. Have it show when the credits roll.

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Say what you think! On page 34, you think this is Sylvia, Lucy right at the bottom of the page?


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Say what you think! On page 34, you think this is Sylvia, Lucy right at the bottom of the page?


I'm sure about Lucy because I confirmed that with E when I was updating the character appearance list. I did not think the girl next to Lucy was Sylvia and did not ask, but it is possible since they are generally used together. Her hair is a little different though.


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Say what you think! On page 34, you think this is Sylvia, Lucy right at the bottom of the page?


I'm sure about Lucy because I confirmed that with E when I was updating the character appearance list. I did not think the girl next to Lucy was Sylvia and did not ask, but it is possible since they are generally used together. Her hair is a little different though.


I don't think it is Sylvia mainly because when we know a name of a girl E usually has dialog mentioning her name.

My guess is that it could either be the strawberry girl from episode 5. or that cute red head slave in BG4 that I'm crazy about.

I'm also guessing that we won't see Sylvia again until BG10. We had a teacher gang bang in BG9 and I'm guessing we'll see a student gang bang at the graduation. We'll probably see Sylvia Brandi Ginger and Grace their.

By the way is there any other free girls we know the name of? Only other one that comes to mind is Samantha.

I guess another question I have is Sylvia and Brandi the oldest characters that Erenisch has that has not been enslaved. I can't think of any others who have been around in as many comics as those two and are still free?

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I'm also guessing that we won't see Sylvia again until BG10. We had a teacher gang bang in BG9 and I'm guessing we'll see a student gang bang at the graduation. We'll probably see Sylvia Brandi Ginger and Grace their.


Fingers crossed. :)

I'm pretty sure Ginger will be there. My proof? Here: :ginger:


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I guess another question I have is Sylvia and Brandi the oldest characters that Erenisch has that has not been enslaved. I can't think of any others who have been around in as many comics as those two and are still free?


Sylvia and Brandy are "free", but not really. Slyvia is practically a public slave because of her pizza delivery job, and Brandy is the "head" cheerleader. :)
I think the girl next to Lucy is Sylvia. It looks like the jock was using them both, but he lent Sylvia to the blonde guy a moment earlier. By the way is that blonde guy Cindy's old "boyfriend"?

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