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It's here folks. :D

http://dofantasy.com/english/USAFC343Karma.htm

Don't mind me, I'm going to have a nice long read. :ugeek:


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all i can say is - WOWZERS!!!!!!

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to me - this one was totally left field

even with the spoilers over the past month - was not expecting this much story development and progress in one issue


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Looks like I'm late to announce this one. Oh well...

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Karma is now available. I have to remind you that this is the "untitled Anna project" I have been posting previews of for a while. The story mainly revolves around Anna and her reluctant companion Cathy. Maria DiFotze also stars.

I know that Anna is a controversial character, so I expect to see some intense discussion on her. I am very curious about your opinions about her storyline. The plot for this was written about a year ago, and I have been gradually setting the scene for this story since then.

Some mysteries about our raven haired "villainess" will be revealed in this episode. (And I already have a plot for a sequel, which will take us abroad for a change.)

(As I mentioned before, the story follows the events depicted in BG 7 through 9, so some pre-reading is recommended. If you don't have those, do not worry. The comic works fine as a standalone story.)

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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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SPOILERS. THIS ALLLLLLL SPOILERS, don't read it if you don't want to get spoilers. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU READ THE COMIC FIRST BECAUSE I AM NOW GOING TO TEAR IT APART.

I'll write a full review later, but (Sorry E) I was not really impressed. It was almost entirely girl-on-girl, which has never excited me to begin with. The quality of E's work continues to be far better than the other dofantasy stories, but compared to the high standard set by recent works like "Society" "SC 2" and of course my favorite, "BG 8" this was quite disappointing.

…oh hell, I'll just write a longer review now.

What made BG 8 great was we had gotten to know the characters over a long period of time, so they seemed like real people. The characters in this story were all ridiculous exaggerations. And we spent no time getting to know them. I could not relate to them at all.

So a bunch of carton-characters of super-humanly scary tough guys showed up and Anna was afraid of them. So the hell what? Who fucking cares if some mysterious tough guy with a scar broke Anna? I know nothing about that guy. I don’t relate to him. He is not REAL. He’s just some imaginary exaggeration of scary masculinity.

Anna dominated and humiliated all the real guys with believable characters. Peter, Steve, Paul… these are the characters that we have spent the time to get to know as real believable human beings. The fact that E had to invent some new guy to finally get her is utterly unsatisfying.

As I often say, no matter how artistic and skilled these comics get, they are first and foremost pornography. They first and foremost are supposed to be erotic and exciting. I literally could not get hard when I was reading much of this story. I never came once. As I mentioned this was mostly girl on girl, which has never excited me to begin with. This story reads like a female-oriented fantasy. It was all girl-on-girl, and then at the end a mysterious exaggerated man showed up to ravage her. This guy was the kind of guy a woman might fantasize about if she tried to imagine the toughest, scariest possible guy to ravage her, but he was flat, he was not a real person. He was just a stereotype left over from bad movies. I think this story was target towards female fantasies. Not that that’s a bad thing in itself, but I am not a female, and I did not enjoy it. (as I side note, I think this issue is the strongest argument that E is a woman).

There is no emotional pay off when some OTHER guys break Anna. Who the hell cares? It was much, much MUCH MUCH MUCH for satisfying to watch Steve triumph over Anna. That was intimate, that built up that was incredibly fun.

This? This was so fucking random.

Besides that, it happened so goddamn quickly. I want to enjoy Anna breaking slowly, this was just POW! And it was over.

It should have been some real character, that we had time to get to know, who got Anna. Perhaps Lidia even (probably they will still meet eventually). But some random guy we have never seen before? That’s no pay off. No pay off at all. It was better when Steve got her.

This was a huge let down. Sorry I am being so mean to your creation E, I am a little drunk now, I will probably regret writing all this in the morning. You're still my favorite, by far. I am just venting.


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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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Sorry I am being so mean to your creation E, I am a little drunk now, I will probably regret writing all this in the morning. You're still my favorite, by far. I am just venting.
That's fine. I'll keep your keys. Come back when you sober up. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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Thank you E for another masterpice

The story is perfect for me. Specially the ednding and that part before.

what will happen to Cathy now! :lol:


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Looks like I'm late to announce this one. Oh well...

Don't worry E, Sherry just got her copy too...

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(now I'm off to do some readin') :D

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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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Well I LOVED this a lot! :D :D :D

I know why otherguy is disappointed because it's quite different to previous comics but that's a good thing IMO. The range/variety of E's work is yet another thing that sets it apart from the run of the mill Dofantasy stuff. Maybe I'm biased but I thought the girl-girl emphasis in this was fantastic and it was something quite new and it's completely appropriate for Anna's character. You know sometimes you're watching a gripping tv show and then it ends and you think, wait has that been an hour already? It was a bit like that with this. I didn't want it to end and can't wait to read the sequel.....


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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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I think it was great! After the Anna and Maria scene together the comic took a very dark turn. It got intense in a way we never saw in dofantasy comics before. I loved it.

I don't understand why you think this has too many girl on girl scenes. It doesn't have any more than previous ones. BG7, BG8, BG9 and the slavecop 2 had similar scenes. Actually Slavecop 2 has actually more. You just don't recognize that because it has more fighting than licking.

I also liked the deus ex machina approach. It was apropriate and very well done. A lot of mysteries about Anna solved and with a big bang too. :twisted: :twisted:


Here is a list of superb moments I enjoyed a lot. I'll use spoiler tags to prevent accidents :D

p15 - reverse angle shot of Peter's birthday orgy. Nice detail.

Ginger actually showing up at midnight. I didn't expect her to do that.

p. 17 - New mystery - if it wasn't steve, who was it!????

p. 24 - a little disappointed that we didn't see the puppies much. But I think there can be a story about them later?

p 29 - stupid is as stupid does :lol:

p 30 - Anna's speech rhymes with the ending of BG9

p. 37 - head roll!! :shock: :shock:

p 38 - last two panels are perfect. That is a classic moment

story about the sword is great. Some history revealed.

p. 51 - Maria accepts that deal? Delicious moment.

last page - Cathy ftw!

okay now I will read a 7th time and maybe write a more detailed review :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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Some mysteries about our raven haired "villainess" will be revealed in this episode. (And I already have a plot for a sequel, which will take us abroad for a change.)


yay!!! no way you give us Karma (and everything that happens in it) and not have a sequel in the works

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and i have to disagree for the most part with otherguy's review

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What made BG 8 great was we had gotten to know the characters over a long period of time, so they seemed like real people. The characters in this story were all ridiculous exaggerations. And we spent no time getting to know them. I could not relate to them at all.


but we already knew the majority of the characters in this one before Karma was released

we didn't have to "get to know them"

hell we understand more about Anna and what really drives her in this issue than all her previous shots put together

i understand where you say they are "ridiculous exaggerations" and "not relate" but that's mainly because imo - you just didn't like the overall storyline to this comic

someone like me - who did like the diversity and randomness in the first half of it all - it was a breath of fresh air because - it was completely left field

i was able to predict much of what would happen in BG8 (instead of the ending) and BG9 - not that that was a bad thing mind you - because the story was so developed that we knew how the characters would react before we even read the situations we found them in

you can't say that with Karma - i didn't see anything coming in this one from the go

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So a bunch of carton-characters of super-humanly scary tough guys showed up and Anna was afraid of them. So the hell what? Who fucking cares if some mysterious tough guy with a scar broke Anna? I know nothing about that guy. I don’t relate to him. He is not REAL. He’s just some imaginary exaggeration of scary masculinity.


wouldn't you be afraid?

what E is introducing here is that the men of the comics we are familiar (Peter, Paul, Jeff, Steve) differ from other men (masters) in the e-verse

what i got out of it is Peter, Paul, Jeff, Steve are clearly products of the environment and society they live in - where as this Mr. Z is a product of a different, harsher environment

as is Anna

E's dialogue in those scenes allude to that

remember - we get glimpses of this in Slavecop 2 where we see women who aren't quite in line with the ebb and flow of stories previous

as for - we no nothing about this guy - i think that was the whole point

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Anna dominated and humiliated all the real guys with believable characters. Peter, Steve, Paul… these are the characters that we have spent the time to get to know as real believable human beings. The fact that E had to invent some new guy to finally get her is utterly unsatisfying.


which is why Peter and Steve aren't the ones who ultimately get her

i found the Steve-Anna basement scenario to be the weakest plot device E introduced into the main storyline

i always felt that one was more rushed and out of sync in the overall picture - like it was just invented just to inflict humiliation on a strong willed character who couldn't legally be taken by the boys

Anna was always this character in the e-verse that just didn't seem to fit - which why many readers either hated her or loved her

but this issue really knocks her down a peg (in a more believable manner) giving her a more developed background story while even knocking down the other woman who wins in the e-verse (Maria)

if anything - i think the only bad thing in Karma is Maria's plot in all of it as i was just expecting her as a cameo but we get to see her in another light

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There is no emotional pay off when some OTHER guys break Anna. Who the hell cares? It was much, much MUCH MUCH MUCH for satisfying to watch Steve triumph over Anna. That was intimate, that built up that was incredibly fun.


but what we really learn in this comic is - Anna is already a broken woman but still has enough fire and passion to lash out against her restraints

Steve nor Peter could never conquer Anna because what she had already gone through is clearly beyond their ability to master

even Mr. Z states that Anna is strong, smart, resourceful, and psychotic


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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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Steve nor Peter could never conquer Anna because what she had already gone through is clearly beyond their ability to master
Good observation. I totally agree. Peter and Steve are teenagers in a small town. They were not in the same league with Anna. Now we got to see Anna's level of brutality.


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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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Loved the comic. I thought it would be darker. sure heads do roll in this comic by what the ladies suffer was nothing that we having seen before.

I do love the new master. His lines crack me up.

We finally get anna's background and it turns out to be very dark. I look forward to seeing her home life and meeting her other close relative. I think E fleshed her character out very nicely, though some things don't make sense. Such as the scene of when she gets caught. I think the flashback was the weakest part of the comic. Though I did enjoy seeing Maggie and even how Anna saw her as a potential threat.

I liked Maria's part in the comic and it makes me wonder if there might be more girls going back to the mother land. daddy might be happy to allow her to be kidnapped. she was a big spender and having his daughter kidnapped would still keeps his prestige high since he did not sell her.

The part i enjoyed and i'm sure E did it on purpose was near the end when we see r@pe scene of the victims. E shows pretty well where Cathy is getting poked. Then I believe in the panel next to it we see where Anna is getting poked. We know there are different type of slaves. At the end of bg9 Gwen establishes herself as this kind of slave. It seems Cathy might be one kind while anna is the other kind.

The other complaint I have is that the comic is a dungeon theme type comic, which I don't really like but the comic is still very good and I look forward to seeing how it ends. By the way E does a very good dungeon theme comic.

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oh my god! I missed the release. Wait, I have to read it first :shock: :oops: :lol:


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this is wierd to notice but Erenish draw the best looking assholes in this one. Look pages 52 and 53. Anna has them.


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...a few more thoughts (I'll probably have more when I re-read it again)

Lots of things I loved.

1) Loads of great outfits. I just LOVE outfits where the pussy is bare but other parts are covered up. There were lots in this.

2) Maria's three puppies are ADORABLE!!!!, just gorgeous!!!. Oh, I just wanted them for myself! :)

3) Anna's seduction of Ginger was just great. I loved that she turned up in her nightie just as requested. And I LOVED the POV shot of Ginger licking Anna's pussy. Female POV shots are so rare in any kind of porn anyway and I really appreciated it.

4) One theme I really loved is that enslavement is a state of mind. This story had not one instance of a female being *legally* enslaved but instead showed the various fates of Cathy, Maria and Anna. Despite Cathy being "freed from slavery" she still behaves like a slave instinctively. It's a subtle detail but it's so engaging, the way she carries herself, the way she is treated, the way she ends up especially the way she interacts with Zalupatsin. I know it's Anna's story but I really love Cathy's whole story in this too. Anna meanwhile doesn't end up legally enslaved in Pussiana but arguably her fate is much worse and I think, despite the absence of a collar on her, serves as a suitable comeuppance. I can't wait to see what happens next...

5) I loved the way Maria was brought low and I hope that the fates conspire not to allow her return to her former life. One of my favourite frames in the whole comic was her being dragged by her hair to (voluntarily!) act as fluffer for Anna's anal gangbang. The pose of her body looks fantastic and the irony of her back tattoo - just perfect!

6) Who is the mysterious figure buying sex from Anna? It must be someone we already know for his identity to be hidden like so. I love the use of negative space to outline his silhouette, very artistic!. Also, his assault on Anna is what precipitated this hole thing and renders far more believable Steve's capture of Anna in the first place.


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Steve nor Peter could never conquer Anna because what she had already gone through is clearly beyond their ability to master
Good observation. I totally agree. Peter and Steve are teenagers in a small town. They were not in the same league with Anna. Now we got to see Anna's level of brutality.


Thats exactly my point, the whole premise of this comic lowers our estimation of the previous male characters. We get the clear impression that they aren't strong enough for this, so E had to invent some exaggerated stereotype for it. Thus even if Anna loses, the guys I was rooting for have also lost. I wanted my "team" to win, but they didn't.

A while back there was a lot of guys who said they mostly identify with Peter when they read the story. E knows this. So if Peter is "not in the same league as her," what does that say about us? Why would that be fun to read?


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OK, I'm sober now, and I have some more flaws to point out.

Mainly -plot holes. We are told Anna was on the run from the mob the whole time we knew her? So she escaped the mob and then to hide her identity and keep a low profile she... gets a job as a model and broadcasts her location to the entire world??? That makes no sense. Why would she even enroll in a high school at all if she were on the run from the mob?


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I don't understand why you think this has too many girl on girl scenes. It doesn't have any more than previous ones. BG7, BG8, BG9 and the slavecop 2 had similar scenes.


In the previous scenes, it was men in control, making the girls do things, or sometimes girls sneaking a little love when the men weren't looking. The whole fantasy up to this point was about women who are being controlled by men. For most of this comic, there were no male figures in control.


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4) One theme I really loved is that enslavement is a state of mind. This story had not one instance of a female being *legally* enslaved but instead showed the various fates of Cathy, Maria and Anna. Despite Cathy being "freed from slavery" she still behaves like a slave instinctively. It's a subtle detail but it's so engaging, the way she carries herself, the way she is treated, the way she ends up especially the way she interacts with Zalupatsin. I know it's Anna's story but I really love Cathy's whole story in this too. Anna meanwhile doesn't end up legally enslaved in Pussiana but arguably her fate is much worse and I think, despite the absence of a collar on her, serves as a suitable comeuppance. I can't wait to see what happens next...


Yes that was good, on that point we agree.


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Mainly -plot holes. We are told Anna was on the run from the mob the whole time we knew her? So she escaped the mob and then to hide her identity and keep a low profile she... gets a job as a model and broadcasts her location to the entire world??? That makes no sense. Why would she even enroll in a high school at all if she were on the run from the mob?

I don't see why do you consider this a plot hole. As the mob boss says somewhere, she bought a fake passport to escape the country. So she uses a fake name modeling, and then hides in a small town school. I don't think she expected the mob to look for her in porn magazines and small town schools in foreign countries. She uses the fake name Shluhina while on the run. She also uses Zulikova when she is conning Maria. She probably uses many fake names. We don't know her real name, except her first name seems to be really Anna. (Bad luck for her, the mob was already on to her and followed her around without her knowing. Ironically, Steve by luck helped her erase her tracks)


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