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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:18 pm 
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You are absolutely right :twisted: !


I can live with that too :mrgreen:


Wouldn't be any fun if it wasn't. ;)

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About the BG9 ending, it seems Fringethumb and especially Morkar called it before the comic was released. Congratulations you guys. I would have never guessed.


As you must have noticed by now, I'm a little obsessive and I'm not ashamed to admit that I generally read my bdsm comics many many times... With erenisch comics it is a lot rewarding because there are always details I miss in the first several reads :D
I have just realized that there is some important info about Anna in the comic nobody seemed to pay much attention. When Lidia talks to Peter, she mentions that Anna is heiress to a big fortune. And it makes sense. She was staying a big hotel room. She bought an expensive ponycart for Peter's birthday. She was obviously experienced in torturing girls before Sherry and Maggie. She had an air of entitlement. That girl is still a mystery if you ask me.


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As you must have noticed by now, I'm a little obsessive and I'm not ashamed to admit that I generally read my bdsm comics many many times... .


You are not the only one who reads the comics many times.

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That girl is still a mystery if you ask me.


Certainly Erenisch is preparing an interesting background for future Anna's story: after all we don't know anything about her except her model job and her exchange student status.

For example we don't know how her immunity to slavery works ;) .

After all her subplot seems to be becoming increasingly important.


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After all her subplot seems to be becoming increasingly important.


As I have said, she is becoming the dominant character of the series. She is taking it over, overshadowing everything else. I don't like it, but it is what it is.


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After all her subplot seems to be becoming increasingly important.


As I have said, she is becoming the dominant character of the series. She is taking it over, overshadowing everything else. I don't like it, but it is what it is.


Well BG is over for Anna with the 9th episode. so there is no danger of Anna taking over the series. She will have her own spinoff and I don't think there will be any familiar faces in there (except Cathy of course). I am also hopeful about that spinoff because this will be an opportunity for Cathy to have some character development of her own. I always thought she can become an interesting character. She was intriguing in the original comic.


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After all her subplot seems to be becoming increasingly important.


As I have said, she is becoming the dominant character of the series. She is taking it over, overshadowing everything else. I don't like it, but it is what it is.


Well BG is over for Anna with the 9th episode. so there is no danger of Anna taking over the series. She will have her own spinoff and I don't think there will be any familiar faces in there (except Cathy of course). I am also hopeful about that spinoff because this will be an opportunity for Cathy to have some character development of her own. I always thought she can become an interesting character. She was intriguing in the original comic.


I don't think that Anna is becoming the dominant character of the series, also Chrissy Cummings and Regina with Gwen had important role in some episode but not after.

I any case I hope to see Anna also in BG 10, even just a cameo; actually since next episode will be the last, I hope that every female character introduced in the series can make an appearence.

I also agreed about Cathy, in some way she is a new character: we don't know nearly nothing about her ( past, thoughs...); exactly like Anna, she is know but still a white paper to develope in future stories ( and also a good co-protagonist in Anna's spin-off thanks to her, apparentely, submissed personality, the opposite of Anna's character).


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Erenisch in SC 2 I noticed something... in the ftz island scene there is a mention about sukoneryahskan mafia; are you preparing something for Anna's comics ?
Sorry to be so meddler :oops: .


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Erenisch in SC 2 I noticed something... in the ftz island scene there is a mention about sukoneryahskan mafia; are you preparing something for Anna's comics ?

It is very likely. That is a good catch LW.

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That would certainly go a long way to explain why Anna is neither keen to visit the Embassy nor to talk about her homeland much. Daddy is a Don :lol:


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Erenisch in SC 2 I noticed something... in the ftz island scene there is a mention about sukoneryahskan mafia; are you preparing something for Anna's comics ?
Sorry to be so meddler :oops: .

I just notised that E did not answer this question. Reveal? :)

The suspense is killing me! :anna:


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I have to say that Anna was not a articularly interesting character for me when I first saw her in BG8, but as I kept reading most of other E comics I liked her a lot. She is a fascinating character. I like her "can do" attitude and bravado.

Think about it, she just walks in that horrible school full of jerkboys r@ping their slavegirls, and picks two owned slavegirls for her own use. She just tells Peter that he is her boyfriend now. Peter seems smitten and powerless against her. And then she continues to manipulate her "boyfriend", sending him to parties while she is elsewhere (who knows what she was doing when Peter was at the party), buying him ponycarts and training his slaves as ponygirls. It was as if Anna owned Peter for a while.

And even after she was kdnapped by Steve and was tortured for weeks, her spririt was not crushed. She mouthed off Steve when her death looked imminent, and she fulfilled her promise to kill him with her bare hands. I guess otherguy is right to say that Anna is becoming too powerful, no other character has such strength in all Erensch universe. For a moment I thought that she was actually a reflection of Erenisch "herself" in these comics, if it is true that E is a woman. Or maybe he/she just likes to mess with the reader, who expect Anna to stumble and fall eventually. In fact Anna fell once, and she get up again and moved on unscathed.

I am very excited that the next comic is the Anna story. I finally read all the comics featuring Anna and I'm ready to buy Karma the moment it is on sale. Reading a new Erenisch release is an extremely great pleasure and I love examining every single panel. (Then reading it again).

And I also realised that I love to talk about it on this board in length. It is a gift keeps on giving. I'll be probably writing a 10 page review of this comic the next day. :D


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Or maybe he/she just likes to mess with the reader, who expect Anna to stumble and fall eventually.


I also think that this is an important part of her appeal.

I immediately liked Anna in BG5: for her look (I'm the negation of the quote men prefer blondes), and for the lezdom scene with Maggie and Sherry (they are very rare in fansadox).

But Anna is different from every other female character (maybe except Maria) because she win and her unpredictable development is the best thing: in BG1,2,3,4 every time a new female characters in introduced she ends enslaved but Anna ends BG5 bewitching Peter and becoming his girlfriend.

In BG6 she surprisingly stay free but in BG7 when she seems destined to be the "evil free bitch" who torment the other girls suddenly she is kidnapped.

In BG8 Erenisch keep us guessing and in BG9 when Steve decided to get rid of her and she seemed hopeless... Anna gets free, kills Steve and escapes with Cathy.

Erenisch do a lot of good unpredictable story twist but with Anna He/She do everytime the opposite of what we expected and what is the rule in E-world (girls been enslaved).

Maybe this is the reason because even those who tell they hate Anna, seem very curious about discovering her fate...


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I don't think many people hate Anna. A couple members are vocal that they don't like that she always wins, but she will eventually loose for sure. Every comic she escapes slavery, she is one closer to her final fall. :twisted:

And if you look at the members list you will see that more than a few people state that Anna is their favorite character. I don't know tha count but just a glance says she is probably in the top 5.

I think the more "real" a character gets, the more popular he/she gets. That is why characters like Anna, Maggie, Sherry, Paul are popular. E says so in his/her interview too. Personally I had different characters as my favorite at different times, and every comic changes my top list, but Anna is always in there. She is as LW say a very unpredictable character and that is fascinating. She has no match in fansadox comics and maybe all porn comics. Someone mentioned the other strong female character of fansadx in fer-nando's twins comic who seems to win a lot, but we all know what twins comics originally is, so I don't think it counts. Also I find her very two-dimensional and predictable, nothing like Anna's complexity.

I personally like Anna, whether if she wins or looses at the end of a comic. I enjoyed both BG7 and BG9, the two extremes on either side. And it is a great job that Anna experienced both endings and her characters stays believable.


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 Post subject: Re: Anna
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Anna is certainly one of the more complex and interesting characters in the comics. The (few) haters of her character might end up so because a lack of real "bad guy" in the comics.

Sure, most of men are terrible, some even evil, in their treatment of the poor women who is forced to subdue to them [by law]. But that is as it should be, after all that is the basis of the whole concept of the Erenisch Universe.

What I say, is that the world lacks the classic balance between good an evil. There's no real threat to how they live. (Exept maybe the Fluffers freedom fighters whom we see very little of)

Thus the only threat to the world order as we want it to be we got to see, is Anna, the free women.

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For a moment I thought that she was actually a reflection of Erenisch "herself" in these comics, if it is true that E is a woman.
Previous theory was that Sherry is E. Now you suggest that Anna is E. Both can be possible but if I have to choose I'd go with Anna. Sherry lacks the smarts of Anna, and we all know that E is very smart. :)

Thon's argument about Anna becoming the villain in the absence of a real one makes sense. So far the worst male character is Paul, and he is not particularly violent. He generally uses psychological methods to break and torture slavegirls. There are jerk characters like Steve and Freddy in SF stories, but they are not smart enough to be villains. So I tend to agree that Anna has the characteristics of a real villain. Smart, devious, daring, attractive and ruthless when necessary. Actually if you go back and look at her image emerging from Steve's dungeon, you will see it in her eyes.

Also like in superhero/supervillain comics, she sometimes fails, but comes back with a vengeance!

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Yup, the villain plainly can't be a man treating girls badly, because, well it is the concept of the comics :lol:
But something that would threaten to end the era of male supremacy, that would be most unwelcome I say.

Like your vengeance link there, Sam ;)

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i am one of the members who hate anna. However, when i first saw her in bg6 which, was the first bg comic i bought and it was the newest at the time. I liked her character. She seemed to know how life was in the e universe and through her evil ways she taught the other girls how life was.

However, once I read bg5 i changed my opinion of her because what she did to maggie and sherry, but especially maggie. I always hoped that in the end that maggie would come out on top of Anna, in that peter would choose maggie over anna.

So now that that story line has finished. I'm not sure what my feelings are for the Anna. I wouldn't mind her being enslaved and perhaps in the end escaping and joining the fluffers as a freedom fighter. I just don't like how she treats the other women.

Plus, I don't see how she is a complex character. So far she has been flat. She's the same person she was in bg5. I'm guessing that is because she has had very little page time. Now that a whole comic is about her I think her character will be more developed.

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I think I am the most vocal of the "Anna-haters," but every time I complain about my dislike of Anna, it is really a compliment for E as a writer. Anna is interesting. That is undeniable. Everyone wants to know what will happen to her.

The fact that I say I dislike her, just means that I want to see her suffer. I want her lose, but I don't want it to happen all at once. That would be too easy. I want to see the fight drain out of her eyes, slowly. I want her suffering to be drawn out for a long, long time. Issue after issue. But I don't think it was a mistake to include her in the comics. When I say I don't like her it does not mean I don't like the comics she is in. That's an important distinction.

What I dislike about Anna the most is how easily she manipulated Peter, and the fact that she killed Steve. The Erenishverse is essentially a male empowerment fantasy. She made the male characters seem weak and powerless. And of course since we all imagine ourselves as the male characters in these comics, when she humiliates them, its only a small stetch for our subconscious imaginations to think that she has somehow humiliated us.

Dougee said he wanted Peter to choose Maggie over Anna. I agree strongly with that. Anna was just using Peter, she manipulated him from the start. The fact that Peter never saw that lowered my opinion of Peter. Anna exposed Peter has frankly not very bright, and not very decisive. E tried to give us some closure on that in the scene in BG 9, but the scene had no emotional weight, because neither Anna or Maggie were in the scene. It was meaningless for Peter to decide Anna was bad after Anna left. I wanted Peter to dump her. I wanted Anna to get rejected to her face, while Maggie watched. I wanted to see Peter have grown and matured to the point where he recognized that Maggie was better than Anna.

At the same time Anna exposed the lack of "deserving" in all the main male characters. I want to see male characters grow and learn to think critically. I want some of them to truly "deserve" the power they are given in E's universe. Some of them. Other times I want to see intelligent women suffer at the hands of idiots just because the women are powerless, lol. But the male characters who I identify with, the one's I imagine myself in their place, I want them to be more intelligent and more strong and more human. I don't want the men to have super-human perfection, I would not be able to identify with that. But I would like some of the characters to face challenges, doubt themselves and then come through it anyways. So far though, none of the male characters have done that. The only character to face challenges and overcome them, is Anna.

So far Anna is without question the strongest willed and most intelligent character in the universe. She's ambitious and passionate and utterly ruthless. And she's a woman. I want men to have those qualities. I want MYSELF to have those qualities. I guess what bothers me most about her is she has qualities I would admire in a male character, but no male character has them as much as her.

However, the mere fact that E is able to elicit such strong emotions and reactions from his/her readers is a testament to E's skill as a storyteller.


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good points.

Remember that E has female readers too.. Maybe some of them identify with Anna? It is only fair for them that Anna is a strong character.



I know Karma will cover the Anna-on-the run story, and I'm excited about that, but I also want to see her past. The story of her becoming this "überbitch" can be a great story too.

In the magazine centerfold image shown in BG5, the guy in the picture cums on her face. so back when she was modeling in her country, she did not have this no blowjob rule. I wonder what changed after that. There is a story.

She always fingers her female victims and taste their juices. Why? here is another story element.

I hope we will have the chance to see these things via flashbacks, or maybe a prequel comic.


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It's strange otherguy hate Anna for her intelligence and her strong will on the contrary I like her for that...

Erenisch stories have a great variety of female characters (unlike most of the other fansadox): there are the tipical sweet innocent damsel in distress (like Maggie), the strong girls obedient because a broken will (like Lidia or Sherry after the weddding), the dumb girls that put themself in danger (Lea and Chrissy), the smart girl trying to adapt to the world (Holly)...

So it's normal to find also the indomitable girl that mistreat all the other girl because thinks she is better.

And the match Anna-comic villain is really good: she isn't only the strong woman that "submit men" but what she do it's legal, she don't hide like the fluffers that are criminals but humiliate men in front of everyone, this makes her unique, even Maria act soft with her husband in For Sale (also if she manipulate him, she act kind with him).

And I think that she is complex and misterious.
Fist, yes she don't change until now but until her kidnapp nothing happens to her (Maggie and Sherry changes are believable because many things happened to them, Anna life is free and calm) and we don't know how she is after the escape (more kind and empathetic to other girls or even more cruel, she developped a masochistic side suffering Steve abuses or she hate men now...).

And not only we know very little about her life, like said MrGoodPecker, but her behavior is strange why becoming Peter girlfriend, why Anna seems resolute to be part of the boys group (she cheekily tease them at their first meet, she gifts the club tichets and the cart to Peter, she helps Jeff buying Nathalie and why not Peter if her only goal is to fuck the girl).

Therefore she is strong unique and misterious, I like her for this and this is the reason because I'm happy that she don't end with Peter or even worst as an inferior slave subdued to the revenge of Maggie "the favorite", she will be in some way wasted.

I will like if Anna meet a man even more cruel, manipolative, intelligent, and ruthless than her, hate him because he is stronger and she can't manipulate him but slowly fell in love with him and in the end voluntarly submit to him, set a new evil couple that have fun abusing innocent girls (shit this sound really depraved :oops: ).


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