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 Post subject: Molly
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:22 pm 
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Molly is a great character IMO. She is so deliciously pathetic. She is probably the most pathetic character in the whole E-verse.

Molly is so desperate for approval and attention, and she knows that because she is older she is doomed to be demoted sooner or later, We watch her very slow decline from issue to issue, its really great to see her feelings on all this. Where as most girls fear their loss of freedom or torture, Molly's greatest fear is simply losing the attention of her master.

In BG 6 Molly muses that her husband only uses her as a footstool and she actually misses being beaten by him. She is incredibly vulnerable.

Yet she has this other side that is the crazed sadistic dominatrix, she tortured the other girls with such gusto, I think we can chalk that up to desperation to try and keep the other girls down and maintain her position a little longer.

And there is the added element of her jealousy of Carol, that we finally got to see her in the flashback in BG 9, which btw was great! Molly was weak and broken and "Fragile" lol long before she was even enslaved. She was never Paul's first choice and she always knew it, her entire life was devoted to just trying to keep Paul interested, she lived in perpetual fear of being thrown away or at least down-graded. And inevitably she was.

If you look closely at Molly's face she has some of the saddest expressions. In BG 8, her photo realistic image (which is on the cover as well as in the book) shows her glancing sadly over her shoulder, as if she has been left behind by some one and is watching as they slowly roll out of site. Maybe I am over-interpreting (as I am known to do sometimes, lol). But I always loved that image of her, I felt it really told the story of Paul gradually losing interest in her and her feelings of sadness yet hopelessness of ever keeping him.

All around she is a great character. For a freak like myself who enjoy's pain, she is a fucking jackpot.


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 Post subject: Re: Molly
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:39 pm 
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Yeah, it was great to watch her slowly crumble. And at the same time it was partly her own fault for messing up on things her master wanted done. If you can't be a good alarm clock what good are you? :twisted:

For me, the best scene with her in it was where she was made into a door mat. She's almost hit rock bottom emotionally at that point. 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: Molly
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:05 am 
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Yeah, it was great to watch her slowly crumble. And at the same time it was partly her own fault for messing up on things her master wanted done. If you can't be a good alarm clock what good are you? :twisted:

For me, the best scene with her in it was where she was made into a door mat. She's almost hit rock bottom emotionally at that point. 8-)


Yeah that was a great moment. Here's a question that I am not sure of the answer to:

Do you think Molly ever really loved Paul? Was Molly only desperate to please Paul because she wanted to earn rewards and avoid punishment, or was there something more, like with Maggie and Peter?

I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this one!


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 Post subject: Re: Molly
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:00 am 
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Yes, I think she genuinely loved Paul, in that intense teenage way that so many TV shows seem to fixate on. I think Pual loved her as well in a very different way. She was the girl who let him vent his desires, who made him happy unlike the always unobtainable Carol
Whilst you have to say the marriage stunt was a bit nasty I do think there was love there.


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 Post subject: Re: Molly
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I agree that they loved each other. Theirs was a typical dom-sub relationship. I think Molly loved Paul and lived for his approval. And in the early episodes of the series Paul was good to Molly. She wore dresses, walked on her two feet, at on the table, enjoyed slavegirls. Paul obviously loved Molly and appreciated her obedience. Remember the way she greeted her husband in BG2 when he brought Sherry home.

But she got sloppy and began neglecting her duties. She also got too old and loose for sexual duty, and the young sluts in the house made her look bad. I think they still loved each other at that point, but not more than any couple would after two decades of marriage. Paul must still love Molly in a way because the alternative to making her a welcome mat is selling her. Se even after she has no practical use other than lying motionless, he still keeps her nearby.

I'm such a romantic :).


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 Post subject: Re: Molly
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:15 am 
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I agree that they loved each other. Theirs was a typical dom-sub relationship. I think Molly loved Paul and lived for his approval. And in the early episodes of the series Paul was good to Molly. She wore dresses, walked on her two feet, at on the table, enjoyed slavegirls. Paul obviously loved Molly and appreciated her obedience. Remember the way she greeted her husband in BG2 when he brought Sherry home.

But she got sloppy and began neglecting her duties. She also got too old and loose for sexual duty, and the young sluts in the house made her look bad. I think they still loved each other at that point, but not more than any couple would after two decades of marriage. Paul must still love Molly in a way because the alternative to making her a welcome mat is selling her. Se even after she has no practical use other than lying motionless, he still keeps her nearby.

I'm such a romantic :).


Its true Molly used to have a lot more privileges, I had forgotten about that. I read the series in reverse order, starting with BG 8 and working my way back, so I sometimes tune out the earlier ones. When we first met Molly she had so many privileges it was hard to tell if she was a slave or just a very kinky wife.

Still, I am not sure if Paul really loves her. I don't think she is sure if he loves her either. She spends all her life hoping he does, but does he? I am trying to remember a moment of kindness he had for Molly and all I can come up with is when he said "good woman" while she was sucking his cock in tandem with 2 other girls, in BG 8.

I think its kinda vague whether Paul loves her or not, maybe its open for interpretation. After all Paul is more closed off and harsh than Peter (and Peter himself is pretty harsh). I wonder if Paul has ever told a girl he loved her? Maybe he never got over Carol...


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 Post subject: Re: Molly
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Well, there was a time he appreciated her more. Here is a quote from BG2, page 39:

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" very well Molly. You never fail to properly greet your master, My good slave-wife. You are a perfect example of how a woman should properly welcome her husband."


Also back in BG1, page 19, look at how he holds Molly. He calls her "honey" (notice the role reversal, in BG8 Peter calls Maggie honey).

Also Molly calls her husband "honey" in page 28 and "dear" in page 51. That must be a big privilege.

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 Post subject: Re: Molly
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A scene between Molly and her son would be great.


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 Post subject: Re: Molly
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we now know that Molly did have a role in Maggie's enslavement, due to her hating Carol.

So is there any bad blood between her and Mrs. Potts. After all it was her idea that Paul make Mr. Potts give up one of her daughters.

I would hate to be in Molly's shoes if Sherry ever finds out that it was her idea for Paul to enslave her.

By the way Molly is a great mother. She probably knew about Peter's crush on Maggie. So she killed two birds with one stone on having Maggie enslaved. In perhaps she knew about Sherry and her stuck up attitude and perhaps Peter had mentioned how she had put him down in the past. So she was able to get Sherry to be Peter's slave. That is of course is if we are to be believe Molly thinks in that manner.

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 Post subject: Re: Molly
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I would hate to be in Molly's shoes if Sherry ever finds out that it was her idea for Paul to enslave her.


I think that particular idea turned around and bit Molly on the ass in B.G 8, not that anything will stop Sherry from taking revenge regardless of discovering the role Molly played in her "lifestyle change"


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 Post subject: Re: Molly
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:28 am 
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She is far away my favorite character! I like mature submissive womans and she is exactly that. I alway fought about she as a natural submissive and BG9 came showing that.


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 Post subject: Re: Molly
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I don't know if it's a natural submissiveness as much as freakishly low self-esteem.

I guess an argument could be made that they are the same thing, but I think a natural submissive would be enjoying herself more. Molly only seems to be submissive, especially in the flashback, because she fears that Paul will leave her.


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 Post subject: Re: Molly
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I agree with Dr White on Molly's low esteem. I recently had a long interesting discussion in another forum about sexual submissiveness and low self-esteem. I think there is often a correlation between those but they are not necessarily connected. I consider myself a confident woman in real life but I do enjoy D/s play in the bedroom. I never had any low-esteem problems, I never had an abusive male in my life. My father was a normal decent guy who never treated me badly. So I don't fit the media-driven stereotype. I was introduced to porn and its unorthodox versions at an early age though. (14-15). I realized that I enjoy BDSM more than the ordinary version. It was fascinating and mysterious.

I even remember the first BDSM movie I saw. I have no idea what its name was because it was a single scene in a compilation- a bootlegged VHS tape. I'd appreciate if you identify it. It was a orgy scene in a dark hall, a boxing ring in the middle. A number of latex-clad girls were being used at different corners of the hall, camera wandering around couples. There was a very flexible girl in a catsuit much like Lily in Slave Fair (another reason I love that scene and the comic). Anybody know which movie this scene was from?
Another scene was from a German movie I guess, a couple guys were burying a girl on the beach, only her head sticks out of the sand. They leave her there. Soon someone notices her and you can guess the rest.

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 Post subject: Re: Molly
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I don't know if Molly has a low esteem. And in real life it's very dangerous to made a person with it became submissive. But about Molly I didn'd see it on her. She looks confident, well dressed, with a pretty face and a shy smile. But, in presence of Paul, she felt the necessity of be under him. Carol was a obstacle, not a reason to lower her steem and her submissive mind prevented her from fighting with Paul, despite the jealousy.

Some of the womans I met was selfconfident and successful, at home, at job, at studies, but with me, not only in the bed, they became submissive. Two of them didn't even know what's BDSM. It's natural, like with Molly.


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 Post subject: Re: Molly
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I don't know if Molly has a low esteem. And in real life it's very dangerous to made a person with it became submissive. But about Molly I didn'd see it on her. She looks confident, well dressed, with a pretty face and a shy smile. But, in presence of Paul, she felt the necessity of be under him. Carol was a obstacle, not a reason to lower her steem and her submissive mind prevented her from fighting with Paul, despite the jealousy.

Some of the womans I met was selfconfident and successful, at home, at job, at studies, but with me, not only in the bed, they became submissive. Two of them didn't even know what's BDSM. It's natural, like with Molly.



nah, Molly has low self-esteem. In real life, some submissive have very high self esteem, but Molly is not like that.

I am not sure if you've read BG 9 yet, but when we see what she was like as a young school girl, it is clear that Molly has low self-esteem. She said something like "i wasn't as pretty or interesting as Carol" to explain why she started giving Paul blow jobs. The picture of Molly with the word "fragile" above her head says it all.

Molly does appear confident when she is torturing other women. She viciously and enthusiastically tortures the girls who are beneath her, but it is all to protect her place in the pecking order. Even when she is torturing other girls, there is something desperate about her, even if she enjoys it, her real reason for torturing them is because she is afraid of losing favor with Paul. Molly is afraid Paul will get tired of her, she always has been afraid of losing Paul, first to Carol, then to one of the younger girls. Molly is all about fear.


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I tend to agree with the low self-esteem explanation. I think the flashback shows that very clearly, but we also saw hints in BG6, BG7, and BG8 where Molly repeatedly felt threatened by the newer slaves. And we see that she is not a natural submissive when Paul rapes her at the basement, she definitely hates that.


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 Post subject: Re: Molly
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I was just waiting for someone post that: "i wasn't as pretty or interesting as Carol".

The "magic" at the comics is that all depends on interpretation because don't have a oficial version, neither the author's version. It's all about point of view, about hou you accept/receive the history. When I discovery this forum I felt like I need to be here to see how the same history I read can be received in different ways.

About this speech, "i wasn't as pretty or interesting as Carol", I have my explanation. She doesn't understand her submission. She just believe that she has low steem, or that she is inferior to Carol, or anything like that. She can't understand her necessity of submit herself to Paul.


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For the record, as someone with nearly four decades of active experience in BDSM, I wholly reject the low-self-esteem analysis attached to submissive personalities.

As a couple of others here have pointed out, meeting them outside of a BDSM context, they tend to be quite the opposite of the roles they adopt for purposes of sexual satisfaction. Indeed, I'd describe them overall, with the caveat that generalizations are always risky and inevitably break down in specific instances, as self-confident, ambitious and opinionated. For a very long time our society has been telling women that sexually submissive fantasies are wrong, wrong, wrong. Those women who have openly chosen to reject that kind of political thinking in their personal lives are, by definition, pretty assertive. In fact, they're coming out in ever greater numbers, as we see in popular journalism and fiction.

Alas, as BDSM has become more popular overall, I have noticed an influx of confused people, some clearly suffering from self-esteem issues, and predators who use that lack of confidence to manipulate them into "consensual slavery" in which the consent is really just acquiescence in order to retain the dubious affections of the men who take advantage of their insecurities.

Molly seems to embody elements of both personality types. She's clearly insecure and anxious about maintaining her status, yet the enjoyment she finds in certain aspects of her situation seems pretty authentic to me. Part of E's gift lies in creating characters of sufficient complexity to leave us conjecturing about their inner lives and motivations. It's a gift many popular novelists might envy.


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 Post subject: Re: Molly
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Yes, Molly is one of my favorites. I'm always looking forward to scenes with her. I have a thing for mature women. Plus the short hair. And sexy body.

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A scene between Molly and her son would be great.


I've kinda hoped for one every new BG I started. Reminds me of a topic I seen around here somewhere about what character in the universe you'd like to be. For me, it's Anders or Peter. And if peter, Molly what be irresistible to me.

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