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Which artists (other than Erenisch) you like?
NONE 6%  6%  [ 8 ]
Cagri 8%  8%  [ 12 ]
Feather 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Fernando 31%  31%  [ 44 ]
Ferres 5%  5%  [ 7 ]
Gary Roberts 5%  5%  [ 7 ]
Lesbi K leih 4%  4%  [ 6 ]
Moffett 6%  6%  [ 8 ]
Montal 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Predondo 6%  6%  [ 9 ]
Slasher 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Templeton 11%  11%  [ 16 ]
Viktor 5%  5%  [ 7 ]
Wayne Wine 6%  6%  [ 9 ]
Other (write in) 3%  3%  [ 5 ]
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:20 am 
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Well that is the most informative explanation about dofantasy's publishing policy I have read so far, so thank you a lot. Nuria was indeed a hardworker according to this account if you think about all the stories that are written by her. Sure I didn't care for them personally but she supplied hundreds of comics with content, and many people bought them. From what is dicussed here I can see that in addition to E, Roberts, Cagri, Ferres, and Fernando (lately) write their own stories, good or bad. I have no proof of this but I also think that Slasher and Ted Owen are also following their own tastes. I say that because their stories feel diferent than the Nuria formula that is embodied by Templeton-Predondo-early Fernando group. I also see that the newer artists like Yuting, Arieta, Igor etc are also Nuria's disciples.

This makes me wonder what will happen to these artists' works now. Will they stop producing because they don't have enough BDSM ideas of their own? Or they have their own ideas that were suppressed before? A fresh group of writers and artists can help diversify the catalog a lot, but I do not know the current hiring policy of dofantasy.


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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 5:54 am 
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As for Ted Owen, I do find his female characters extremely appealing and, while young, they're clearly young women and quite voluptuous at that. I will concede that he's guilt of Ugly in the First Degree when it comes to the men and to some of the action, but his latest work appears to be moderating those tendencies somewhat.


I think Ted Owen's art is very appealing. His girls are beautifully drawn. I thought the first comic looked great and there was some really interesting stuff in it but I'm still wavering over getting the next one


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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:52 am 
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I also dislike the dungeon type comics in which grotesquely ugly men kidnap beautiful girls and torture them from start to finish. That eliminates most of the other fansadox artists right out of the gate.


:lol: True! I don't mind the dungeon setting but you're quite right, if the whole comic is just a quick capture and the rest all torture in one setting it's just boring. This is what I meant about some of them really just being one scene filling out a whole comic.

Just to make myself clear, I don't hate ALL dungeon comics, it is fine unless the whole comic is just a single long torture session. Karma for example can be seen as a dungeon comic but it is totally awesome. :D


Karma is exactly how a dungeon comics must be made! (but Karma become a dungeon comic only when Mr Zalupatsin arrived)

Usually dungeon comics are simple sequence of scenes: good carefree girl/girls stupidly put themself in a Dangerous situation and after a pair of pages she/they are kidnapped, then the r@pist do this to her/them, later the r@pist do this to her/them, later the r@pist do this to her/them, later the r@pist do this to her/them, end.

In Karma E makes a whole story: starting from Anna's last day before steve kidnapps her, we see her kidnapping Maria and them Anna's past catch her.

And for this dungeon comics heroines are just "screaming beauty", in Karma E made Anna a complex character with strong and also weakness (for example when peter say her parents must be filthy rich she say "Oh yes they were..." and after the phone call with peter she know that she is in danger because she stayed there too long but even so she postpone her departure)



ernestgreene, your posts are quite interesting; I don't follow Dofantasy forum so I was quite unaware how much Nuria interact with the artists, and I never tought about it but, yes, I also find a brighter color palette more "attractive"...

But the most interesting thing is how ugly men aren't suitable for T.I.

First maybe my question is silly because I don't know anything about porn market: but attractive male are so important in illustrated BDSM works?

Obviously I understand that female readers don't like extremely old fat ugly master, exactly like I don't like extremely old fat ugly mistress but caracters like Mr Zalupatsin or Eli Weiss (from Fernando's Total Control) aren't good ? They aren't attractive young men but neither very ugly, and they seem a good compromise between beauty and the stereotyped S&M situation "girl disgusted by ugly master".

Probably been a male, my point of view is less strict toward ugly men than toward ugly women, but I'm ok with the dom characters of my gender be less attractive than the subs, unless they are very very ugly.


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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 9:53 am 
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I also like my fantasy characters to have a basic level of cleanliness, especially around their pubic region.


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I don't really understand the appeal of the dirty/ugly male character. Of course males are less attractive than female characters in a comic and I don't find this weird. I wouldn't mind a less then perfect male, as long as he is not a filthy slob like in a Templeton, Slasher or Fernando comic. For example I have to admit that I find Zalupatsin in Karma quite attractive, even with the big facial scar and the belly. It maybe a girls-like-bad-boys type cliche but I actually find the facial scar very sexy. Paul Stevenson is also attractive even tho he does not have an iron body, and he is obviously balding. The point I'm trying to make is that men could be a little "ugly" as long as the intention is not to make them ugly like an orc. That reminds me that Templeton actually has a comic where all the r@pists were orcs.

Can't speak for the male readers, but my personal "female" preference is keeping uglies out of the story unless their presence serves some important purpose.

Just one girl's opinion. ;)

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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:38 pm 
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I get the impression that the ugly guy angle plays into the fantasies of male readers who only got dates with Mother Thumb and her 4 Sisters in high school...sort of a proxy revenge trip.

I prefer good looking people on both sides of the equation. You almost expect the ugly guy's outward appearance to be a reflection of his inner personality.

A good looking baddie, however, is like a movie bad guy with a cultured English accent....highlights the depravity a bit more.


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I should probably clarify here. It's not that I feel the bad guys in a comic should be as attractive as the women. Obviously they're not the focus of our attention anyway. However, when they're grotesquely ugly, IMO, they're a distraction from the beauty of the girls. Not suggesting that they be matinee idols, merely recognizably human.

I think Mr Zalupatsin in Karma is a good example of how a man can be unconventionally appealing (fortunately on many levels my wife agrees) without becoming a pretty boy. Likewise, I agree that Fernando's bad guys have taken a turn for the better. Eli Weiss is not Brad Pitt by any means, but you can see he might once have been attractive and sort of rotted from the inside. Both his brother and his son are good-looking men, one obviously evil and the other, I suspect, soon to be revealed as such. I don't mind if they're rough-looking, imperfect, etc. It would be a bit strange if they all looked like Ken dolls. But neither do they all need to look like Quasimodo. Consider the bad guys in recent James Bond movies. They manage to be all the more sinister for their lack of obvious ugliness-from-the-outside-in. They still manage to be sinister and menacing, but the thought of them having sex doesn't induce nausea, as is the case with too many BDSM artists.

And BTW, it's not just women readers who agree with me. In fact, some have expressed preferences for totally repulsive villains. But BDSM comics are still erotica and, having made every kind of erotica for three decades, I feel confident that the majority of the audience, regardless of gender, prefers all the players to be appealing enough to look good having sex with each other. Yes, I know Ron Jeremy still gets hired, but mainly as comedy relief. There's been a sea change in the way video is cast now based on sales numbers that consistently show a good-looking cast sells better.

Kink.com's number one guy is James Deen, a young, good-looking guy, and anything he's in sells like crazy.

Who is the most popular mainstream male performer in porn? Rocco Siffredi. He might make a great BDSM comic bad guy, because he's good-looking but still exudes an air of danger and unpredictability, and anyone who's seen his work would have to concede he plays rough with a lot of style.

So yes, I do think the appearance of the dominant player is important in BDSM art as much as in movies. I never cast unattractive players of either sex in my movies and they sell very well too.

In short, when it comes to sales, pretty beats ugly down the line.


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I don't really understand the appeal of the dirty/ugly male character. Of course males are less attractive than female characters in a comic and I don't find this weird. I wouldn't mind a less then perfect male, as long as he is not a filthy slob like in a Templeton, Slasher or Fernando comic. For example I have to admit that I find Zalupatsin in Karma quite attractive, even with the big facial scar and the belly. It maybe a girls-like-bad-boys type cliche but I actually find the facial scar very sexy. Paul Stevenson is also attractive even tho he does not have an iron body, and he is obviously balding. The point I'm trying to make is that men could be a little "ugly" as long as the intention is not to make them ugly like an orc. That reminds me that Templeton actually has a comic where all the r@pists were orcs.

Can't speak for the male readers, but my personal "female" preference is keeping uglies out of the story unless their presence serves some important purpose.

Just one girl's opinion. ;)


This is exactly how I feel too! :)


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ernestgreene wrote:
In short, when it comes to sales, pretty beats ugly down the line.


Here's the thing.

Fansadox has over 300 comics in its collection. At approximately forty bucks each, someone who wants it all will be spending over ten thousand dollars.

Very few people will be doing that. So there are advantages to diversification.

If 75% of readers want to see attractive men, and 75% want to see occasional femdom, and 75% want to see occasional lesbian action, does that mean that you should include attractive men, femdom, and lesbo scenes in ever comic? Of course not. Because the 25% who never want to see lesbo scenes are 25% of your revenue stream. Give them some comics that are exactly what they want. Some readers want orc-rape comics; let them have 'em. It's not my thing, but that's fine.

Personally I like the occasional ugly dude. And I mean, really, authentically ugly, not just slightly-less-pretty (or, as it's also known, tv-ugly). I like that guy as a contrast. I like his presence in a kink story to remind subjugated females that there's another level of degradation, and I like the fear attached to that. I like seeing fit, attractive men 95% of the time, but the warty leper with the vomit on his shirt has his place in my fantasy world: he exists to remind the slaves that their lives could be worse. So suck harder, slavegirl; you may think your life stinks NOW, but at least you don't have to suck THAT GUY off.

It's fun.

Which is what keeps me coming back to Erenisch. His kinks don't correspond with my own more than 75% of the time, but the story is usually fun even when it's not arousing to me. As of now, no other Fansadox writer offers the same.

Does anyone know if Fansadox is seeking out new writers?


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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:19 pm 
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Yes, well, when it comes to niche marketing, as a producer/editor I prefer marketing to niches that include a few hundred thousand purchasers over those that have a few hundred loyal fans. When I first started doing bondage video, the companies I worked for sold into a very small niche that liked nothing but non-con scenarios, random and senseless brutality, cheesy locations and tacky costumes. And the producers wondered why they could never sell more than 2,000 units per title.

Then I got the wheel as director and started making kink pix with big-name players, luxurious settings, hot costumes and most of all, an unrelenting emphasis on sex, for which all the BDSM activity was depicted as foreplay.

The combined sales thus far of my three O-based features is well above a hundred thousand, and that doesn't count PPV and cable buys. And those are just three of the 500+ titles I've shot.

I wouldn't give up subject matter I liked doing just to make better numbers, but I do try to create products that won't turn off more people than they turn on, which I think is very much the problem not only with many DOF products, but with the whole medium.

You can survive on a few hundred guys who buy everything of a certain type that's made exactly to their specifications or you can actually live on tens of thousands of customers who may not buy everything you create, but represent a large enough market share to keep you comfortable even if only 20% of them actually put down their money.

I'm all for specialization and I'm glad there's something out there for almost every taste, but my observation from decades of making and selling XXX products is that the money is in the middle. The product has to have an edge or it's boring, but it also has to have some eye candy or it's just plain ugly.

Why do you think E. is so popular with T.I. readers? Easy. The girls are hot. The stories are engaging. The costuming and other details are carefully selected. The plots are constructed in an interesting alternative environment. And they're all the more shocking for not relying on grungy visuals to deliver their impact.

If I were looking at BDSM artists to animate for video, I'd look at E. and Fernando if I wanted to make some return on my investment.


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About the good points someoneelse makes: I do agree that there should be niche comics to serve niche audiences. but the artists should contribute their own visions to discover these niches themselves. The way dofantasy have done it so far, one vision was dictated to a lot of artists and they produced the same formula again and again. I assume most of us dislike that formula because we are here on the Erenisch forum. IMO E's vision is the antithesis of the N's formula, and proof that original personal stuff can be produced without trying to appease every taste.

As ernestgreene says, the "merchants" who produce stuff to an audience that they are not a part of can be very wrong about the quality of the material. The good thing about E is that s/he does what s/he likes, and does not follow a manual called "how to make bdsm comics" I'm sure that somewhere in the dofantasy office, there is such a manual or template they send to new artists.
And in that manual, there is the ugly slob character.

dofantasy definitely needs new writers. we have many talented writers who contributed to this forum and I enjoyed almost all of the stories I read here more than I enjoyed a N-formula comic. Perhaps dofantasy should recruit writers here ? (I'm talking about you triona_b :D)


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:oops: making me blush! That's very kind of you to say so


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The recruiting writers thing is a good idea and I think triona would submit a good tale. If I could interpose a cautionary note though. Any new writer would (at least at the start) create tales of the DoF formula simply to get "In" and published (didn't somebody famously claim that 'money talks'?) Therefore the need to get stories published would encourage any writer to supply the demand staoles i.e Dungeon fiction and maybe when they are established add their idiosyncratic narrative embellishments.

Erenisch is actually a great example of this point. The early period comics such as Alyssa's diary are very "formuaic" in the sense that a girl is picked up by the nasty males du jouir and spends the entire forty odd pages undergoing a large amount of sexual use and abuse. Little is done by way of character development and the story ends with the promise of continued suffering at the hands of ther captor/masters. Yes, the outline of the CFSL was there and some attempts at universe building appear certainly by 'Family Slave Set' but there is nothing like the writing power and character development that we now all enjoy. Erensich has openly acknoledged that there has been a great improvement, inspired in no small measure by the members of this forum and the confidence of proven success.


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Perhaps Ernest could open the TI doors to new blood??


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